lately i've been hearing a lot about all of these hidden satanic messages in his music. a friend posted this video about run this town on their FB page:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk8ykNJ6jPw

i still don't see it as satanic, and i don't like how they associated pagan beliefs/Gods with evil (Osiris = Lucifer.)

there's also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX-xVN0xERk which disects the similarities in the symbols.

but, all in all, who gives a damn if he's a mason? i think it's much ado about nothing.

Good topic!

Symbolism is everywhere.

I could see Jay being a Mason tho -- he's becoming more and more elite-ish. Don't know about the satanic stuff just yet (gotta check the vids when i get home).

I do know that I get an eery vibe from Rhianna's Russian Roulette.

Now if Beyonce comes out with some suicide music too then we can be sure he might be the source.

Yo!!! Thanks again for posting this.

Very interesting....

I think there is some validity in the videos you posted.

Take the masonic tour.

The "powerful" masons don't flaunt their association with it...from what I have read and observed. But you won't see them wearing the rings and the emblems on their cars or any othe flash - but there may be symbols involved.

Early on, it seems Jay-Z did separate himself from the rest of the game just by his moves and choices. His chessmoves are like a politician and he has staying power. They probably approached him and asked him to join. It may benefit him somehow. They say its lonely at the top...so now, he might have some company?

after watching the 2nd video, i knew i had to take that tour.

i also want to research symbols more, but i was always into them and their origins. they are REALLY powerful. (i LOVE the classroom scene in the da vinci code.)

jay has always been a politician in the business. it has been evident from the start. i always thought is was a good business/personal move. surround yourself with eagles, separate yourself from the pigeons.

as far as rihanna's new 'dark' vibe...i'm not surprised. she was in a very dark place and the best way to get that out of her was through her music. i did it with my poetry. what i wrote 7 years ago seems like it came from a different person.

back to symbols - i've seen jay and beyonce wear the rosary on numerous occasions. he never did that until he married her. it just cought my attention for a couple of reasons.

i wanted to talk to you about this at the shoot, but things got busy fast! lol.

I have something on dvd about this too...I think it might be similar to the youtube link.

I could do that tour again actually (i was so rushed during my lunch break)

i'm probably going to go next week. i have so many things to cross off of my 'to do' list and i want to do it before it gets too cold to walk the city. i also want to go to the met in nyc.

I love Symbolism! But can someone entlighten me on the whole FreeMason thing. I dont understand how it is directly asscociated with evil or at least thats how the video protrays it. I watched both and I think that some of it is a little far fetched. I listen to alot of jay-z music and alot of times he references God which makes me think he practices sometype of christian faith. Im not thinking he worshes the Devil which is what I have been hearing.

i think that because Free Mason's are a 'secret society', people percieve them to be a cult and a cult is perceived to be 'evil'. i don't see the connection either.

free mason - a member of a widely distributed secret order (Free and Accepted Masons), having for its object mutual assistance and the promotion of brotherly love among its members.

cult - Sociology. a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.


and what happens when one group does not believe/understand another group's beliefs? they call them evil...instead of trying to understand and agreeing to disagree.

Thanks alyson. Yeah I think thats the issue people who dont understand, denounce. Plus, their theories seem off like for example they were saying that Horus is a symbol of evil. I never learned that and I studied African Diaspora in school. I wear the eye of Horus and Rah quite often wouldnt do that if I knew those to be "evil" symbols. I have to do some more research.

The first time I heard about Masons was from this book called "Behold A Pale Horse" by William Cooper.

My grandfather was one. **many / almost all of the US presidents are said to be masons

I took the masonic tour downtown **learned a lot...they said they require members to be male (of a certain age) and they must believe in a God/s. They said atheists cannot join.

There are a lot of rituals involved...lots of kneeling, numbers, history, cultures, religions - all swirled into one.

They are a secret society that recently seemed to open their doors as a result of blockbuster media coverage (Da Vinci Code, and so on?)

I have no opinion either way right now. I do know that people link them to every conspiracy theory, and also assassinations, and so on.

sooo, one of my brother's have become ultra religious and i mistakenly mentioned jay z. he brought up the following verses:

Run this town:You can call me Caesar
In a dark Caesar
Please follow the leader
So Eric B. we are
Microphone fiend
It's the return of thee God
Peace God...
i went further and looked into (which immediately follows):
(Auh! Auh! )
And ain't nobody fresher
I'm in Mason
(Ah! )
Martin Margiela

according to wikipedia, Margiela is a camera shy, secretive, Belgian fashion designer: "Maison Martin Margiela’s ultradiscreet trademark consists of a piece of cloth with the numbers 0-23 (see table below). The badge is attached to the inside with its four little white pick stitches, exposed to the outside on unlined garments. For the 20'th anniversary the anonymous tag was replaced by a classic logotype."


and from empire state of mind:
Hail Mary to the city your a Virgin,
And Jesus can’t save you life starts when the church ends,

i think these lyrics are bieng taken out of context. i tried to tell him that, but there is just no reasoning with some folks.

i've heard that all of the founding fathers were masons. i'm not sure about ALL of the presidents though.